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What to Buy if the Market Tanks... More

Thursday, January 10, 2008 | Chris Rowe

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What to buy, what to buy.  Hmm.  Well, everyone's been yappin' about Citigroup (myself included) because now they're paying about 8%.  The company said they plan to keep the dividend, but many people are doubting that.  Okay, okay, okay - whatever.  Forget about it for now. 

But let's focus on the point here...

There are some stocks out there that just might get hammered that will rebound at some point.  And some of your favorite stocks that were paying 2% dividends before getting the you-know-what kicked out of them by the general market are going to continue paying the same dividend - dollar wise.  But since the stock is cheaper, the dollar amount will yield you a lot more on a percentage basis than it did before. 

For example, let's look at Verizon (Symbol: VZ).  The dividend is $1.72/share.  That's over 4% of the price of the stock.  Now if you have a custodial account for your kid or any other kind of account that you want to buy mature companies in, you might keep a stock like Verizon in mind if the market tanks. 

(That's right, this could get worse.)

Look at this chart of Verizon.  If the stock breaks support at $40.00 (especially on heavy volume), it could drop another 10% giving us a 5% yield.



I'm not pitching Verizon here, folks.  I'm just saying that if this market gets much worse, don't forget that some stocks that pay 4% today will pay 6, 7, 8% or more.  When you buy at multi-year lows, or when you buy very cheap even when it's not the bottom, and you have to wait a "long time" for the return, just remember that long-term profits are much cooler than short-term profits from a taxation standpoint. 

Here's how you want to think about this market...

You want to position yourself so that you would absolutely LOVE to see the market tank.  I personally would skip to work if the market crashes (and I usually roll to work in a wheelchair).  I have a number of bearish positions open right now that would definitely ease the pain of seeing my bullish positions drop in a bad market.  And if the market drops far enough, I might make 200 - 300% on the bearish trades, which is good even if I lose 100% on the bullish trades.  We would then have historic buying opportunities to buy cheap stock (or deep in-the-money call options, where you can make thousands of percentage points with the long-term tax benefit).

Back to the point...

What happens if we are lucky enough to see a stock that pays 4% get cut in half?  That gives us an 8% yield as long as the company continues to pay the dividend.  This is a great deal for tax-deferred accounts like IRAs especially because you can just keep reinvesting that 8% dividend into the same stock (or other stocks).

In 2003, Teeka Tiwari suggested I buy JP Morgan at $20.00 when it was paying a 6.8% yield.  In 12 months, the stock was at $44, and a few years later it was at about $53.00!

What else can we do with a fat yield?  Depending on how fat it is, we can use the money to buy protective put options on the stock and guarantee ourselves zero downside risk.  Another way to play it is to sell covered calls against the stock.  Doing that with a high yielding stock can easily net you 15-20%/year without the stock even moving.

It's hard to say today what would make the most sense to buy in the future.  But you may already know that my style is to buy stocks that are in sectors that show positive relative strength vs. the general market, and I prefer the stocks that are showing positive relative strength vs. the sector they are in. 

Keep a level head.  If we enter a bear market, you should be happy about it because you should position yourself to profit from it. 

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Chris Rowe
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  1. Ken (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    All this talk of value and yield is very interesting. If I thought I could count on these stocks not to go down farther.

    Without resorting to options strategies, which offer all kinds of different oportunities when the market is not giving out stable trends, I would say simply look at the world of ETF's, and run a scan for what is moving in your direction.

    It is not necessary to gamble on a market bottom. There are other oportunities. There are ETF's that allow one to invest in foreign stocks and currencies, in basic commodities and commodity baskets, in reverse market situations. Just run a scan on all ETF's to see what is moving.

    There is no need to chase value. If you wait for the trend the value will come to you when it is ready.

    In the meantime you can be doing something useful with your money....
  2. rssky22 (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    The fact is this is a market that chews up and spits people out right now but we appear to be entering a time in the market cycle when smart peoaple get really rich.

    The point maybe a few readers are missing is be aware of the long term, mid term and short term trends, potential risks presented by whats happening around us, know your goals, objectives and risk tolerance, and be cool, calculating and patient. There are plenty of opportunities if you miss one don't worry about it.

    Chris has been level headed and fairminded. I am not buying myself, but in all fairness to Jason regarding Citi he isn't the only one who is recommending a financial stock and one such person has called a bottom in financials (at the same time Goldman is calling a recession. There are ALWAYS analysts with contrary opinionis. Do what is best for you.
  3. Sharon (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Hi Chris,

    Another great article. Totally agree with you. The market in any condition can be worked to the advantage of the Professional Trader. I, for one, am jumping for joy to be able to buy a good company at bargain basement prices.

    Is it because I look at this as a business?

    Or maybe we are just cockeyed optimists?

    Nice to see something positive said instead of all the gloom and doom that's been written here lately.

    Right on John Mahler and Ethan R. !

    Best,

    Sharon
  4. Steve (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    "You want to position yourself so that you would absolutely LOVE to see the market tank."



    I personally would never LOVE to see the market tank. As Charles M points out, you will never get a higher yield in a stock you own if that stock drops in value. Your yield will always be dependent on the price you paid for it. So, you are never "lucky" to see a stock that you own get cut in half. Even if the stock paid a 4% dividend when you bought it, you are still getting 4% on your original investment and you are now down 46%. That does not make me want to skip to work. That's for sure!
  5. John M (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    I think the lack of comments is based on the lack of controversy. The article was spot on (although I think he should have dove a little deeper into the topic)causing most people to agree.



    Dylan on the other hand knows how to stir the pot and cause controversy reflected in the number o comments.



    The Real John M.



    I find Chris's articles the most educational and Dylan's more thought provoking.
  6. Ethan R (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Chris, I find it interesting that an article with a positive title such as yours drew only a few comments, while Dylan's "How to Destroy your Child's Future(and yours)" drew close to 30!



    Perhaps the title should have been "Market plunges! Economic death is near! Is it time to buy?" Then you will elicit more comments.



    I have one question. If you say that "Stocks paying big dividends can be the worst of the worst too", how do you account for the DOGS of the DOW having such a good long term record? Those are obviously the Dow stocks that had the worst relative strength, yet when you hold them for a year, their performance is very good.
  7. John M (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Good Morning Chris,

    Spot on! Nothing to fault here. Even if an investor buried his stake in the backyard, by May he will be overjoyed to see the beginning of the biggest BULL market in the history of Wall Street!

    John Mahler
  8. Charles M (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Remember though, in order to get that high yield one has to buy the stock at the lower price. If the dividend remains constant your yield remains dividend/(price paid per share)
  9. Chris (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    CHAOS:

    "Would it then also make sense to set up bearish positions on sectors that are showing negative strength vs. the general market, and on stocks that are showing negative strength vs. the sector they're in?" YES

    and

    If that is the case, am i right to assume we should avoid stocks with a dividend yield over... say, 3%?NO Stocks paying big dividens can be the worst of the worst too.
  10. chaos_nantuko (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    "buy stocks that are in sectors that show positive relative strength vs. the general market, and I prefer the stocks that are showing positive relative strength vs. the sector they are in. "



    Would it then also make sense to set up bearish positions on sectors that are showing negative strength vs. the general market, and on stocks that are showing negative strength vs. the sector they're in? If that is the case, am i right to assume we should avoid stocks with a dividend yield over... say, 3%?
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