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Can a good person also be a capitalist?

Sunday, October 28, 2007 | Ethan Roberts (fuss1) Is this Spam?

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I am a baby boomer who came of age during the late 1960's to mid 1970's. This was the late Vietnam war to Watergate era. In those days, if you were politically liberal, life was pretty simple. People were basically good, while corporations were seen as evil. If you made a lot of money, particularly at someone else's expense, you were likely to be called a "capitalist pig" or something even more pejorative.

The worst offender during Vietnam was probably Dow Chemical, the makers of napalm, agent orange, and other deadly toxins. Political protests were not only aimed at ending the war, but also at bringing national attention to companies like Dow.

It was also said that politicians benefited directly or indirectly from the evil corporations, either through campaign contributions or through their own investments. It has been hinted that then President Lyndon Johnson was a holder of many defense stocks, such as Bell Helicopter, but always in Lady Bird Johnson's name.

Eventually the war ended, Watergate came and went, Nixon was replaced by Ford, Carter, et. al, and we all grew up and cut our hair. We finished our education, gained jobs and got married. And then one day someone told us that if we do not want to eat dog food in retirement, we had better invest a portion of our money in stocks and mutual funds through something called a 401k or an IRA.

But what stocks could we buy, since so many of them were instruments of those evil corporations? Certainly not Dow, for we remembered the lessons of Vietnam. Philip Morris/aka Altria group (MO) was also an easy one to shun, since they manufactured the evil cigarettes that kill people. The Dow Chemical of today seems to be Haliburton (HAL), that scourge of liberals everywhere. Some people say we are in Iraq just to make Haliburton rich. That seems rather simplistic to me, but then again the stock has had a tremendous price surge during the last five years.

So what else can one buy: Wal-Mart? Are they not mean to their employees? Home builder stocks? No way, those companies are tearing up the environment. Drug company stocks? Well, they save lives, but then again, people say they are guilty of price gouging little old ladies! Mining stocks? No, they are stripping the Earth for profits. It all seems so futile.

Many people who would be horrified at the thought of owning a cigarette or chemical company stock, do not realize that these stocks are frequently holdings of the mutual funds they buy through their 401k or IRA. They may not even read the annual reports, so they have no clue how the mutual funds are investing their money. Is their ignorance an excuse for hypocrisy?

Over the years, there have been a few so called "green" mutual funds. They invest only in companies that seem to be doing good things for the environment or for people. For many years, these sort of funds made people feel good, but they were rather mediocre investments, with returns that did not match the S&P 500.

That may be changing. One fund that is the exception is the Winslow Green Growth Fund (WGGFX), up 15.67% year to date, and almost 27 percent annualized return over the past five years. Morningstar gives it a five star rating.

One question that I would like to raise is how do we know that all of the so called nice guy companies are really doing good things for Mother Earth? Who monitors everything? What if those companies have 401k plans that contain funds which invest in Altria and Haliburton?

In addition to stocks, I am also a Real Estate investor. I often buy homes that other people have lost to foreclosure. Some people will say that I am taking advantage of someone else's terrible loss. But I had nothing to do with them losing their home. They would have lost it whether or not I eventually buy it from the bank.

Every time you sell a stock and then the stock goes down, you have sold it to someone who will lose money on it. Does that mean you are responsible for their suffering?

So I am putting these questions out to the Tycoon readers and staff writers. Can we be so called "good people" and still be capitalists? Is capitalism by definition an economic system that puts profits above everything else, including what is good for the Earth? Is it OK to invest in stocks of companies that are polluters or exploit their workers? Is that our responsibility or not?

I look forward to seeing your responses.

 



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  1. Valerie (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    I love this topic...

    I often think about tobacco stocks...

    Is it ethical to buy Altria stocks if tobacco causes cancer? Or how about Kraft, which Altria is connected to? If I eat Kraft Mac & Cheese, am I not contributing to society's ills?

    All I can say is that this topic is way above me. I don't know the answer...

    But I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks about it.
  2. Charles M (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    I hope most of what you wrote was with tongue in cheek. You refer to corporations as if they were individuals. If you don't like their actions, complain about the CEO and boards, not the corps.



    I'm with Bruce--we could go backwards.

    As for most of what you say about your business and investing, I don't think you are too sincere or you would not still be doing this.

    As for capitalism, one wiser than I said it best:

    "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." -Sir Winston Churchill
  3. statdr (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    This is a great article - very stimulating and thought-provoking - thanks!



    You raise some interesting questions about how your action could lead to negative consequences for other people. As long as you didn't employ any dishonest methods (e.g. insider trading) and always followed the implied or actual rules, the "competition" is fair and you shouldn't be concerned about how your actions might affect others. If the other people wanted to do better, they should worked harder, etc. to surpass you.



    It's like a teacher who grades on the curve, getting upset at somebody who gets an A, because they deprived somebody else of an A. Any student who was willing, could have studied hard enough to be among the top few. If everyone has this desire, the overall level of the class will be raised to a higher level, and everybody will benefit, even those who didn't get an A.



    I believe capitalism is a great system, because it provides an important incentive for people to do/become better. I'm currently working in a non-capitalist country, and you won't believe how much I long for basic levels of service that I used to take for granted. When the incentive to improve disappears, so does progress and improved quality of life, in the great majority of cases.



    Having said that, capitalism has a number of very negative aspects. If you believe that making a profit is your only goal in life, you'll be a very unhappy person, sooner or later. Capitalism should be tempered by other beliefs; capitalism is good but by itself, somewhat empty and col. I believe each person needs to find their own level of balance. But to totally ignore capitalism since it might perhaps make you a bad person, would lead to a world so bad I wouldn't want to live in it.
  4. chaos_nantuko (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    oh, unless you meant my mini-article meant to debunk it.
  5. chaos_nantuko (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Article was ethans... thanks though.
  6. Dylan (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Hi Chaos,



    Yes, a good person can be a capitalist. In fact, I love your article (and topic) so much that I'm going to write about it in next weeks Tycoon Report (I'm also going to answer the question as best as I can).



    I LOVE IT!



    DYLAN JOVINE
  7. chaos_nantuko (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    thanks ethan, did my best.
  8. Bruce (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    I guess we could go back to the hunter/gatherer stage and live on and off the land. Have an average lifespan of 35-40 years. Get rid of all these houses and labor saving devices that cost so much in natural resources.

    I drive the homebound to get medical treatment when needed. Need to stop that, turn my earth destroying auto into a planter and tell that old person that their time to exit the planet had arrived.

    And, as I'm in my 60s its in everybodies best interest that I try to get my life over as soon as possible. Non of that life support for me, consumes too much valuable natural resources.

    And while we are on it, let's get rid of hospitals, man, talk about waste.....and the bills, my goodness, it costs $350,000 just to DIE of cancer.

    Whoa, colleges and universities....look at the terrain they occupy, not to mention how much steel and wood and cement and etc they took to build.....and the $30,000+ annually they cost to attend.

    Books, computers, electricity...down with all of them.

    I used to be in the solar industry, it sure cost a ton of petroleum product and electricity and metal etc to produce the darned things...

    Yep, down with capitalism. What good has it produced for man anyway.
  9. Ethan R (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Excellent points, Chaos. I feel better already!
  10. chaos_nantuko (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    wow. that came out longer then i thought...

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