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The Most Dangerous Place to Get Investing Advice Today

Thursday, October 16, 2008 | Dylan Jovine

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Regardless of which candidate you vote for in three weeks, our economic reality will not be washed away with the tide of the elections. Grotesquely high budget and trade deficits, obscene debt-levels led by off-the-chart consumer spending, low savings and impossible-to-obtain loans have all finally caught the attention of investors.

Whether in the short-term the market ends up trading higher or lower from this point, one thing is for certain: you have to be more careful than ever with how you invest your money. The market will not "save you" from a bad investment. Only your wits and a fair amount of patience will.

This does not mean you should avoid stocks - I still think there is no other place to put your money. Bond yields simply don’t compensate you for the risk of inflation. Real estate prices are still abnormally high and will remain so until people stop pricing their property based on what they owe on their mortgage. And until the government offers a bail out plan to homeowners who are underwater, they'll have little incentive to sell at prices that assure them huge losses.

What does that mean?

In my circle of friends we’re hunting for profitable game as hard as ever. It’s times like these – big game situations – that we want the ball in our hands.

Experience has taught me that the flip side of the panic coin is "opportunity." That's why, whenever I hear the word "crisis," I replace it with "opportunity": As in the "Greatest Opportunity Since the Great Depression."

In any market environment - but especially a market like this - the best offense is a good defense. That means that you have to work extra hard to protect your capital first, while you hunt for investing opportunities second.

A Fool and His Money Are Soon Invited Everywhere

If you’re like me, every week you get solicited by seemingly dozens of people that want you to invest in something.

I used to think it was flattering. It didn’t take long, however, before I learned the age-old lesson that “a fool and his money are soon invited everywhere.”

A stockbroker whose been trying hard to get your business calls and wants to discuss a tech stock he or she thinks is going to “break out” of a range and trade higher...you see Jim Cramer yelling about some new stock nobody's ever heard of on TV...you hear that some large investor just bought a gazillion shares of the next best stock since Microsoft (MSFT).

It's easy to keep your guard up when you hear investing ideas from people you don't know personally.

It's much harder, however, to keep your guard up when you're getting advice from people you do know...

Like the stockbroker you've been doing business with for several years whose telling you that now may be the time to dip your toes back in the market...Or your doctor friend casually told you about a biotech company that has a promising new drug that should be approved by the FDA...Or your neighbor opens up to you after a couple at the backyard BBQ and tells you he and his buddies just bought 50,000 shares of “the next Microsoft” for only twenty cents per share.

Because these people aren't the ones out to get you, it's easy to let your guard down. Why on earth would you not trust a stockbroker you've been doing business with for five years?

But there's a lot of innocent money out there. And innocent money can be just as destructive as dangerous money. Before you know it, a well-meaning advisor could offer an ill-timed recommendation that sets you back five years.

So today I'd like to talk about how to create a filtering system that protects you from the innocent money that may be advising you.

If you walk away from this with a better system for filtering the good ideas from the bad, then I’ve done my job. Once you find yourself saying "no" a heck of a lot more than you say "yes" you’ll have realized one of the most important keys to becoming a successful investor: knowing when exactly to pick up the bat, step to the plate and take a real swing and knowing when not to.

(One quick comment before we begin. Countless articles have been written about how to avoid doing business with a crooked broker. That is not the focus of the article. Having worked on Wall Street for years I can say without a doubt that most stockbrokers are decent, hardworking people. But if you need to check the disciplinary and employment history of your broker go to www.nasdr.com.)

Question #1: Are You Recommending this Stock Based on the "Squiggly-Line Theory"?

Chris Rowe calls it the Squiggly-Line Theory. Most people refer to it as basic "Technical Analysis" - the art of looking at a chart or two and deciding whether or not to buy a stock.

It seems that almost every investor, whether professional or not, starts investing by using technical analysis. I'm no different: I spent the first two years of my career trying to predict the direction of stock prices by reading charts.

It’s clear now in hindsight to see why I, as most others, start that way: learning technical analysis is easy. In fact, that's why most people get into it. I can’t tell you how many new investors I've met in my career who are fascinated by the visual appeal of a graph with squiggly lines and arrows.

And when you see how much you could have made had you bought at one of the past “buy points” on the chart then it almost seems foolproof. Who in their right mind wouldn’t want to make what looks like easy money by reading something as simple as a chart?

But lets look at the cold hard facts. Investing is about making money. And the way investors "keep score" is by how much money they make investing. Thus it was disturbing when, two years into it my career, I realized that there isn’t one technical stock analyst on the Forbes 400 list. Not one. I know it';s hard to believe, but it's true: even William O'Neil, owner of Investors Business Daily and the biggest proponent of the craft, is nowhere to be found. Neither are any of his most famous "students" that he mentions in his book.

Perhaps even more disturbing when you really think about it, is that technical analysts propose using pricing and volume to determine whether you should buy a stock. If a stock breaks out to a higher price on heavy volume, it often means that you should purchase it. If a stock drops in price. it means you should sell it.

This is the height of absurdity to me. Let me explain. When you purchase stock you are buying shares of an actual business not a floating piece of paper. And technical analysts believe it is better to buy a piece of a business at a higher price than it is at a lower price!

Imagine you took that approach to buying a new house or a car or a watch.

Would you run out a buy a new home just because its price was 20% higher today than it was yesterday? Would you avoid your dream home just because its price was 20% lower today than it was yesterday?

No wonder they're not on the Forbes 400 list: the art of financial suicide doesn’t pay over the long-term. I prefer to buy my assets cheap.

Thus, the reason I place this question first is because you first need to make sure the person giving you that stock recommendation is even playing in the right ballpark. The right ballpark is not where little leaguers play. It's where the big money is made.

Question #2: Are You Recommending this Stock Based on the Direction of the Economy, Stock Market or Interest Rates?

Trying to predict the direction of interest rates, the stock market or the economy is Wall Street's great mental game - and its great distraction.

It's a game because nobody in history has ever predicted the future of any of these on a consistent basis. Nobody. Sure, I've seen certain analysts make high-profile calls and be right. I've even seen it twice. In fact, when I started working on Wall Street, analyst Elaine Garzarelli was all the rage because she had correctly predicted the 1987 crash. But her next five calls were wrong and she faded into relative obscurity. The fact that somebody who was so well respected when I started and fell so quickly made a big impression on me: I realized that there are far too many variables for anybody to consistently predict the direction of economy, interest rates or the market. My own experience and my study of history has not disappointed me since.

Furthermore, trying to predict them is a distraction because it takes your mind as an investor away from far more profitable thoughts. We all know how easy it is to start discussing the economy over dinner. You can sit with your friends for five hours, discuss everything under the sun, and still not have solid enough evidence to start making big bets investments. Add ten economists to the discussion and you will all walk away just as confused.

Anybody who tells you that they know the direction of the economy, interest rates or the stock market is either a) inexperienced or b) selling you something you don’t want.

This doesn’t mean that I don’t watch the financial news on the television. Nor does it mean that I don’t enjoy it.  I like financial gossip just as much as the next guy. I just don't take it seriously.
 
Question #3: What Does The Company Do?

Sure, this sounds asininely commonplace – but it is, without a doubt, the least understood question I hear investors ask. Sure, many people know that Cisco (CSCO) is the largest router dealer in the country.  But what exactly is a router? Who are Cisco’s customers? How do they buy their routers? How much does it cost to make one? What do they sell them for? Who does Cisco compete with? These questions are critical to really understanding what the company does to earn money.

Think about it in relation to your profession. You may be a doctor of oncology or an advertising executive. But does your old friend from college who became a web designer really know what you do for a living because he goes to the doctor each year for a check-up? Not likely.

But people invest in companies like Cisco just because they have a router in their house and it works. Personally, I only invest in company’s that make products I can touch, see, feel or understand.

One of the reasons I like companies like Procter and Gamble (PG) is because finding out if their razors, for example, are selling well is easy. All I have to do is walk into Wal-Mart (WMT).

Perhaps I’m a simpleton, but I simply refuse to buy companies I don’t understand. That’s why I won’t buy a company that made the latest transistor that helps keep the temperature inside of a router cool enough to get more processing speed.

I’m not even sure if what I just said about routers makes any sense. And that’s my entire point – if I can’t see it, understand it and feel it then I really don’t know it. And if I don’t really "know" it then I’m just gambling.    

But that’s just me. If you want to buy a stock, make sure you understand the business first. Or do what I do and ask the person to "explain it to me like I’m two years old."

My general rule is to invest in companies whose products are as tangible to you as a rental property you own. You’ll gain a big comfort level when you’re able to "see" the property/product each and every day.

Question #4: What Is Management’s Track Record?

First let me state the obvious: you have to be able to trust management with the cash register. For private companies it's literal. For public companies it's compensation and perks. But there are other areas that are not so obvious that you must consider as well.

Therefore, it is critical that you find out the track record of the people that have been running the show:
  • How long has present management been running the company? If less than one year, don't buy it yet.
  • How much have they increased sales, earnings and profits during the past five years? If less than 10 percent per year, avoid it.
  • Have there been any restructurings? If more than one in the past five years, avoid it.
  • Does management have a significant portion of their net worth in the company (not in unexercised options)? If not, forget it.
  • Does management announce “pro forma” earnings with their regular earnings announcement? If so, stay far away.
  • Does the company have more than 40% of its capital in debt? Say goodbye.
  • Does management constantly make acquisitions? Probably not a good bet.
  • When management has a bad year do they admit it honestly on the conference call or in the annual report? If not avoid them.

These questions are a good starting point, not an ending point. 

Question #5: What is The Business Worth?

Not knowing what a business is worth when you buy its stock would be akin to not knowing what a car is worth before you went car shopping. You leave yourself open to danger.

Let me start with a simplified but revealing example. Let’s say that you went to the local Toyota dealership to look for a new Camry. What would you do if the dealer tried to sell you the car for $250,000?

You’d probably run right out of the shop. Why? Because the car is not worth $250,000. It’s worth closer to $30,000.

Conversely, let’s say that you were shopping for the same Camry and you saw an ad in the paper that said, “Brand New Toyota Camry’s On Sale for $5,000.” 

You probably run to the dealership as soon as possible to buy the car. Why? Because you would be buying the car for less than it is worth.

Yet when people purchase stocks, they often buy Toyota Camry’s for Rolls Royce prices.

The stock market operates the same way. Every stock has an intrinsic value or intrinsic worth. The key is to determine the value of the company separately from the quality of the business.

For example, I have a good friend of mine who called me and told me that he wanted to buy shares in Google (GOOG) and Sirius (SIRI) because he thinks they’re two of the greatest companies in the world.

Although I agree with him, I wouldn’t buy the stock. Why? Because having a great company says nothing about the value of the company. They are two separate issues.

That would be like buying the Toyota Camry for $250,000 just because you feel it’s a great car. Nobody is saying it isn’t a great car. It’s just a question of what it’s worth.

An easy short-hand method is to look at the past recession the company went through. How much did their earnings decline from the prior year?

Now estimate how much you expect earnings to decline during this recession. If earnings decline by 20%, what P/E would that give the stock? How does it compare with the stock's historical P/E during expansions and recessions?

If the stock is trading at a reasonable discount to that, you may want to consider buying some. If not, just be patient and wait for the price to come to you.

Now that you have some guidance on what the company is worth, you can determine if you should be buying it.
    
Question #6: Is It Selling for a Discount to What It’s Worth?

The goal of any great investor is to buy a stock for less than it’s worth. That’s how investors, whether in stocks or real estate, make money.

That’s why determining the value, as discussed above, is so important. You have to first know what a stock is worth before you can tell whether to buy it or not.

To borrow from the example above: If you determine that XYZ trades at 15 - 20 times earnings during an expansion and 8 - 12 times those earnings during a contraction, you can wait for the stock to hit 8 times earnings before you buy it.

Of course, it's very likely that this recession will be more severe than the last one. But if you're sticking with companies that (a) dominate one niche, (b) have little debt and (c) have lived through many economic cycles, then even a simple rule like this will serve you well.

So wait for that stock to hit 12, 10 or 8 times earnings and buy when you are comfortable buying it. 

As I’ve said many times before, George Soros, the famed investor, is fond of saying that he’s an "insecurity" analyst not a security analyst. Keep that in mind when you begin to ask these questions about potential investments — they’re a starting point, not an ending point.

In the meantime, during times like these you have to keep a wary eye even on people you trust for advice. They may be great during expansions but unless you've tested them through markets like these, then you have to use your own judgment to filter the good, the bad and the ugly.

Best Regards & Good Luck This Month,

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  1. toby (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Great article, you mention in your article looking at the history of a company through a recession, where do you find such information though, I've often looked and struggled to find any history more than a year or so old.
  2. Robert (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Great article Dylan! It gives a very straight forward picture of what the does and don'ts are for a volatile market like the one we are living through. I agree that this is a great opportunity that we are faced with, and our present decisions will mark our success or failure to make money from this situation.

    My only question to you would be: does your point of view not collide with products like "CRISS" and "ETF Mastertrader", which I have considered as extremely valuable educational tools?

    May I suggest that a similar course about fundamental analysis, which could then be combined with the skills learned from the other two mentioned courses, would put a lot of extra power into our hands: your customers!

    Best regards,

    Robert Delhey
  3. KLong (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Chris,



    Whats wrong with generalities? You do not need anything more than a line or two on a chart to trade successfuly!



    There are many ways to find and predict price movement, fundamentals and technical indicator analysis are just two. They are fairly good for finding and confirming potential trades. But its very hard to accurately predict price change over time without pure chart analysis, and this has more to do with physics and math and visual interpretation, than fundamentals and indicators.



    All the fundamental and technical indicators can do is tell you why and when. They can sometimes predict a reasonable price goal, and confirm, or even predict a trend, but they cannnot measure a move, or predict how quickly a move will take place. For this you need an analysis of rate and range, and the pressures of supply and demand. All the fundamental and technical indicators in the world cannot do that for you, for that you need to be able to measure and analyze the price movements and patterns they create in a chart.



    Ken Long
  4. matan (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Dylan,



    Can I shake your hand? Where are you? This is by far one of the greatest articles you've written! I've been a member for almost 18 months now (I never miss an article) and you never let me down. You, Criss, and Teeka are truly special, writing about what matters. I studied finance at several Universities including LSE and UM and let me say, you accurately summed up everything I learned over 3 + years. Generally this is the way I see it: T.A. helps decide when to enter and exit a position by using many indicators simultaneously while F.A. helps decide whether or not, 1. I understand the business and 2. is it healthy relative to it competitors and generally speaking using ratios/statistics and 3. Management record/performance - critical stuff my friend. Nevertheless when I buy stock in public company I put myself in any buyers shoes as if I was buying a privately owned company and ask myself would I own this business and how would I run it effectively? I try to get in their heads and understand how they are being effective today and what their future might look like - Macro and Micro analysis of trends.



    God bless you guys!



    M&M
  5. Dylan (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    KRISH:



    With companies that have low debt (below 20% of their capital structure) I always first look at return-on-equity (ROE). Companies that have higher debt levels, say between 25 - 50%, I look at return-on-capital (debt+equity).



    Here's an example using Coca-Cola (SYM: KO):



    Coke has $21 Billion in Shareholder Equity. It Grows Shareholder Equity by 27.5% annually. At that rate Shareholder Equity should be $71 Billion in 5 years. At 15% per year ROE Equity should be at $42 Billion.



    Companies with a high ROE relative to the average ROE of 12% are rewarded handsomely by the stock market. For every $1 in Shareholder Equity the market places a premium of $3, $5 or $10 in Market Value.



    For example, let's say you have a company that has an ROE of 12% and shareholder equity of $10 billion. Over the long-term, the stock market will place a price on the share of the company that approximates its shareholder equity. Thus, its market cap will be roughly $10 billion in the long-term (extreme bull and bear markets aside).



    But take the same company that has $10 billion in shareholder equity but has an ROE of 30% and the market cap of the company can be much higher - say, from $30 billion to $100 billion!



    So start with ROE in your analysis because it's the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ANALYSIS IN FINANCE AND VALUATION.



    Hope this helps,



    ---DYLAN JOVINE
  6. jrkrish (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    So it's clear that 'Technical Analysis' is not enough. 'Fundamental Analysis' should also be done. Of the so many parameters like Revenue Growth/Loss, EPS Growth, Return on Equity, Profit Margin and for Valuation like Debt to Capital (MRQ, P/E Ratio (TTM), Price to Sales (TTM), Price to Cash Flow (TTM)which one do you use FIRST to SCREEN a company? And from there one how do you -as a novice investor - go on SORTING OUT?

    Krish
  7. John M (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Technical Analysis is a tool used to analyze pasterns of stocks of their history. Bearish and Bullish indicators show characteristics of similar qualities. Strong indicators give you the best chance to profit on that investment.



    Just like fundamentals nothing in investing is a science that is why we call them analysis. Some times quality stocks go down. Some times stocks break positive chart patterns. But just like fundamentals, in technical analysis you are trying to find the best qualities using that particular type of analysis.



    Nobody can just by a stock because its fundamentals are good. What if the fundamentals are good but they are being sold by hedge funds based on next years predicted earnings and your buying into it? If you used technical analysis you would wait for a positive chart pattern to make you entrance.



    Every Investor should know fundamental and technical analysis and a detailed plan of how to apply each type to each investment.



    John McCain
  8. Alyson (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Mr. Jovine wrote,"Anybody who tells you that they know the direction of the economy, interest rates or the stock market is either a) inexperienced or b) selling you something you don’t want."



    The day before, Teeka Tiwari wrote on 10/15/2008, "You must have a series of tools to help you time when you should be bullish or bearish on a sector. Yes, market timing is what I said."



    How different is market timing from predicting the market? The comments by both advisors seem to indicate a contradiction amongst the ranks. Am I missing something?
  9. Chris R (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    The point of the note below - is don't dismiss TA by dismissing looking at one part of chart without considering the big picture.
  10. Dylan (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    FOLKS: In no way, shape or form am I saying that technical analysis doesn't work. It's like any martial art: if you master Tae Known Do you could kick the same butt as a Judo Master.



    What I am saying is that technical analysis that involves just looking at a chart or two and making a decision to buy a stock is not the kind of technical analysis that successful investors like CHRIS, TEEKA and others practice! There's is much more in-depth!



    --DYLAN JOVINE

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