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Time, Effort, and the inteligent use of Leverage

Thursday, July 3, 2008 | KLong (kenlong33) Is this Spam?

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Time, Effort, and the inteligent use of Leverage

Is a good investment composed of value, or is composed of profit? They are not the same thing. Value is an important criteria when I'm buying something I want, or might need to buy either way, generally not stock in someone elses business. Although value is a generally overall good indicator when used in conjunction with other analysis.

Profit is what I invest or trade for, and profit is composed of price change and TIME. The one thing almost every value investor convieniently forgets.

The way to make a lot of money in the market is to target movement. Value oriented, growth oriented, sentiment oriented, it doesnt matter, as long as it moves in a reliable and predictable fashion. This could mean targeting value, but not stagnant or falling value, unless your intentionaly trading that particular condition.

The best percurser of movement, is movement.

This could be a trend, or an ocsilating range. As long as it is reasonably predictable, and the movement is large enough and fast enough to produce the desired returns.

Unless your a champion market timer, the way to trade these most profitably is not to try to pick bottoms or time reversals, but to wait for confirmation, choose an entry, and trail an appropriate stop.

Capturing middles, its at the heart of classic trend following, not trend predicting. This is how the vast majority of the most succesful traders and investors have worked over the years. Be willing to give up the first 20%, and the last 20%, and target the 60% in the middle. Target stable trends that are moving at an acceptable rate, this rate will vary depending on your time frame and perspective. Check both your growth and value analysis, if you like, and target trends with good potential for continuation. Target overbought and oversold extremes within the trends range as entry and exit points, and dont always buy in one lump sum, scale in and scale out.

And use leverage, not only financial leverage, but the leverage of time and effort as well. Pay others to do work for you. But beware, the financial markets are grossly overpriced, compared to any other industry, compared to the degree of effort or knowledge involved, and compared to the quality of the product.

Now this is a area where its wise to use a value and quality assessment. As a comparison, fundamental analysis is a dirt cheap commodity, compared to the effort involved. Good fundamental analysis can be found for free on most major financial sites, if you know how to use it, or very inexpensively with the assistance of a good analyst or writer. Technical analysis, however, is a grossly overpriced commodity, its relatively easy and worth learning to do for yourself.

Further, the use of options can be difficult or easy, depending on how you go about it. The hardest things are timing, and managing volitility and time decay, simply choosing options on stock positions is easy, using options safely and for what they are really worth is difficult. If you can find someone who does this, and does it well and successfully, who you can trust and understand, its like having a gold mine. There are a few out there, and here, but by and large they are hard to find, most talk and write better than they trade.



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  1. KLong (19 weeks ago) Is this Spam?

    What is Value?



    Something that you think is worth more than what it is being priced at today.

    What is Worth?



    A percieved value.

    Its all relative to your perception. Stocks sell at all kinds of different valuations, but unless we have some ulterior reason for owning them, such as income. The only real value is price change, and our ability to capture it.

    The real question is not value, its time. What is and is not of value changes drasticaly when contrasted against ones timeframe.

    Time is a constant. It only moves in one direction, and at a set speed. It is also finite. It is running out, and we can not get back what has passed.

    Energy, or effort is also in limited supply.

    Between these three, Time, Effort, and the profit potential we are hoping to capture in our trading. We can come up with a very different idea of what value accually is. And its a very individual thing, much like choosing a trading style.
  2. KLong (20 weeks ago) Is this Spam?

    Come on Ethan,



    I didnt say to disregard value. I just implied that its not the route to profits in the market that some present it as. Its simply an indicator that represents what people are willing to pay for a stock. It can be a great indicator, but its not the end all that some people present it as.



    However, a lot of what you've said here is just plain false. You imply that if I make a mistake and buy something overvalued it could take a very long time to see a profit. Additionally you imply that the more value something has, the greater the momentum will be. These statements couldnt be more wrong.



    First, one of the greatest strengths that we as individual investors have is the ability to move in and out of positions easily. If we buy something and it doesnt work the way we plan, we can move on. Only the long term value investors hold and wait for perceived profits, with no idea of how soon, how quick, or how large it will be. Generally these are the same value investors who believe in averaging down, buying something simply because its cheap, and buying more as it becomes cheaper and cheaper.



    Momentum does not run on value, it runs on growth, and in many cases emotion and sentiment. Value has little to do with it. Momentum stocks often have the highest valuations, because they have the highest demand, and people are willing to pay more for them. Value is only useful in determining if price and earnings are keeping pace with each other in a stable trending situation. As long as value remains stable at a number acceptable to the investing public, and growth remains high, then the trend most likely continues.



    Sure, there were great trends in tech stocks in the late 90's. But there was no true way to know when it would accually end, stocks can remain overextended for longer than one can imagine. The main premise behind trend following is that we dont know. Thats why we use stops when we trade trends.



    The beauty of trends is they are visible and measurable. We can easily determine at what rate the trend is moving, and how wide the range across it is, and choose the best oportunities for trading. Simply positioning ourselves in the best trades, in the best trends is all I am refering to.



    Obviously there are many methods of trading the markets, and they all work to different degrees. Value has its place, especially in combination with basic trend following techniques. It can be a strong indicator of stability and continuation, but it can not show profit potential as a rate or percentage. It simply shows the possibilities, and other filters are needed to find the best oportunities.



    Enjoy your steak, but if you intend to make a profit you'd better make sure you can resell it for more than you paid, and your profit is larger if you do it quickly, and repeat it often. This is one of the main problems with long term investors. They refuse to acknowledge that short term traders can make the same money more often. Thereby compounding their gains much more rapidly.
  3. Ethan R (20 weeks ago) Is this Spam?

    Ken, I don't see how you can possibly talk about making a profit while disregarding value. If you invest in things that are overvalued, and soon after you've opened your position, the investment corrects, it could take a very long time for you to see your profit. On the other hand, even if you use momentum investing, the more value the investment has, the greater that momentum will be, and the longer it will endure.



    Was there not a solid trend in place in late 1999 and early 2000, when people were pouring into tech stocks? How did they know that would be the last 20% that they should not target? But the value investors were all selling their tech stocks by the autumn of 1999.



    While I agree with you that falling prices do not represent value, I differ with your view of "stagnant". Nothing is ever stagnant. Even a stock that is moving sideways is not stagnant, and there always comes a day when a good stock will break out above a sideways base.



    There is nothing wrong with momentum investing, but realize that there are many roads that lead to Rome, including good value investments. Maybe it seems like "herd mentality" because so many people recognize that it's still a good way to make a profit. In my opinion, buying a sirloin steak when it is still fresh and sells for hamburger prices is still a winning strategy.
  4. KLong (20 weeks ago) Is this Spam?

    I like my own work
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