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Why You're 'Broker' Than Your Broker!

Friday, October 17, 2008 | Ethan Roberts

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After reading the great articles in Tycoon this week about stockbrokers, I wanted to relate my personal experiences as well. I didn't exactly "fire" my broker ten years ago. It was more like I was slowly running out of money, and simply told him that I wanted to close my account. But the truth of the matter was that like many brokers I hear about, he was doing nothing for me that I could not do myself.

My broker was a great guy. In fact, he was married to a woman with whom I had once worked, and on occasion we would all socialize together. The company for whom he worked was called a "discount brokerage". Translation: We will still charge you five times what you would pay for trading on-line, but just like the cheaper service, we too are not allowed to provide you with any advice. 

Oh, swell!


When I first began buying stocks, being young and naive (well naive anyway), I fantasized that a stockbroker was someone who would both fill your orders AND teach you how to find winning stocks. Or at least from time to time, they would call you with a hot tip and get you in on some ground floor opportunity that was soon to skyrocket. But folks, if you believe that about brokers, you probably still believe in the tooth fairy!



Toothless Tommy just got a call from his broker with a hot tip...

I soon learned that most full service stockbrokers are really just salesmen with a Series 7 license. Their job is to keep you trading, so they can earn commissions. Discount brokers charge an annual flat fee, but do not make commissions off your orders. Nowadays churning of accounts is illegal, but that doesn't stop them from calling you once a week or more to tell you about a stock they like. What you don't know is that they may have been told by their manager at the morning staff meeting to push certain stocks. As Bill O'Reilly likes to say, "Whose looking out for you?" Surely not brokers who do that.

Another thing that makes me see red is when a stockbroker recommends a hot stock that has already gone up considerably.  Have you ever had that call on a Friday morning? "Hey, Average Joe, this is Sidney Stockbroker. (Now he whispers) I'm calling to tell you that XYZ technologies is up 65% this week! You better get in on it now before it's too late!"

Many financial services do this as well, and it's simply deadly to your portfolio. You are almost always buying a stock that is well overextended from it's last base. The technical indicators are screaming "OVERBOUGHT". Within a few days you have the inevitable 10% or 15% pull back to the moving averages, and you want to pull your hair out. But the broker wants you to buy it now, not in a week or two after the correction. 

The final straw for me was after I added technical analysis to the fundamental analysis that I had already been doing, and found that my broker either had no idea what I was talking about, or was simply disinterested. I often had the feeling that he was more concerned about how to use my fervor for charts, indicators, and moving averages to inspire me to make more trades.

So I bid him adieu, and soon opened an account with an online broker. I figured it was far better to pay $10 for a trade with no help than $50. It certainly would have been more dramatic to go into my broker's conference room and emulate Donald Trump in giving him the heave ho. In fact, recently I was thinking how great it would be to have an Apprentice show where all of the participants were stockbrokers, and each week the one whose stock selections performed the worst would be fired!

 
This broker went long on Merrill Lynch.  He sure looks familiar...
 
These days, I do a lot of my own trading. I try to allocate some funds toward long-term trades and some toward day and swing trading. I like to trade the double long and double short index ETFs, such as ProShares UltraShort QQQ (QID) and ProShares Ultra QQQ (QLD), ProShares Short Dow30 (DOG), ProShares UltraShort S&P 500 (SDS), etc. I also like to trade gold stocks as well. On short-term trades, I use technical indicators to determine whether to go long or short. I use fundamental analysis for the more conservative, longer-term, single stock investments in my IRA. I like to buy large cap DOW OR S&P 500 stocks that have been beaten down along with the overall market. They almost always come back and you get the bonus of a higher dividend yield, along with the appreciation of your shares. 

The really short-term trading I do with a taxable account. Sure, I know I have to pay the capital gains and there are wash rule pitfalls, but you can't really trade the same ETF or stock over and over again within a three day period of time in an IRA account without incurring the wrath of the brokerage house. The first time you can plead ignorance and break down in tears on the phone, and they may let you pass with a simple warning. But do it more than once and they will probably suspend your account. 



Fidelity trader pleads ignorance of the rules but to no avail...

If there is one disadvantage to not using the expensive broker it's that you will probably end up trading more often, and those small commissions do add up after awhile. There is also a tendency to not let winning positions ride because it is so easy and cheap to pull the sell trigger after a small gain. On the other hand, I find it easier to set stop losses when I know the commission is small. Swing trading would be completely out of the question if I had to pay $100 round trip.

I spend a lot of time doing statistical analysis on trading methods, always seeking to find ways to reduce risk and maximize profits. It's one part "art", and two parts obsession. Right now I am working on honing a trading system for the QID and QLD. I want to develop this system to work at least 80% of the time, and take most of the emotion out of the trade. Can you imagine what would happen if I asked a broker for input on this project?

Over the past year, I have learned a tremendous amount from Teeka, Chris, and the other investors at The Tycoon Report.  From Chris I learned how to maximize the odds of a trade in your favor, and how to take both bullish and bearish positions simultaneously. From Teeka I learned how to wait for the trade to come to you, and how to use sector ETFs to make winning trades. No stockbroker ever taught me any of that. Ten years ago, I had never heard of the Bullish Percent Index or Point and Figure Charts, and I doubt that my broker would have known about them either. Today, they are an integral part of my trading strategies.

More and more, I have come to realize that nobody is going to look out for you and your retirement needs. Congress is too busy trading in your future for contributions to their next campaign, or rolling out the pork legislation as they bow to the special interests and lobbyists. You can no longer rely on your company stock, social security, and a pension in your golden years. Yet, as people live longer lives, they are going to need more money in retirement than ever before. So having enough to retire on requires us to formulate a plan, educate ourselves on personal finances, and learn how to grow our own wealth.

I know I have generalized a bit here, and hopefully your broker is better than the ones I have described thus far. If so, you are indeed fortunate, and you should hold onto him/her for dear life. But if you are watching your stock portfolio disintegrate before your very eyes, and are feeling broker than your broker these days, maybe it's time for you to muster up your courage, look him in the eye, and say:



See you next week!

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  1. Tom (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    ethan, i just wanted to alert you to some new etfs which offer triple leverage,,,here are their symbols: ery,erx,faz,fas,tza,tna,bgz,bgu .
  2. claudia a (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    I was not aware we could name names, but in my story a while ago, the broker was with Dean Witter and then he moved to Shearson and I stupidly followed him until I realised my stupidity in believing a broker
  3. claudia a (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    This reminds me somewhat of my experiences.

    I started with a broker, when I wished to purchase some shares in the newly privatised UK company British Gas. Not knowing much about brokers, I chose the one who helped me open an account and was pleased.

    But then he would suggest things, and being very naive, I would go along with him. The final straw came when he suggested, over the phone, to purchase into NHP a limited partnership which was going to pay a huge dividend and when sold a "huge' gain. Also, it was a Government protected issue. I bought for an IRA and a regular account.

    ONLY, when the sale was accomplished and I received the material, did I find out that it was NOT a government program, and that it was primarily sold to persons earning at least $200.000 a year and NOT my paltry $20.000.

    I had no idea that I could take losses, never understood the IRS forms (I do my own taxes) and moreover, no dividends on the regular individual account.

    I finally fired him only to find out when all the money was lost, that I STILL OWED MONEY TO THE IRS???? I had had to go for help this time and was so furious as there was also the accountant to pay who told me this was for rich people wanting to take a loss.

    I now read a great deal and do my own buying and selling-only things I inderstand and wish I could really understand options.

    BUT BROKERS? FORGET ABOUT IT!
  4. tdemaio (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Bad Broker?



    Back in 1983 I started a Keogh acct with a guy I met in the third grade. (at the time, I was 41). He put the entire amount into a limited partnership, then directed the quarterly proceeds to a money market acct.



    At the time, capital gains tax was 1/2 of ordinary income, so limited partnerships were designed to allow one to take deductions at (e.g.) 50% and then take the gain at 25%. The only problem is that there are no tax advantages in a Keough acct.



    I closed out the account in 2003 (20 years). I had initially invested $4k. I closed it out at $3.8k. Had the guy simply put the money into treasuries, I would have had about 50k; agressive growth 80k.



    always,

    tony
  5. Larry (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Just before retiring, my plans were to have Morgan Stanley, handle the transfer process of my lump sum retirement from my company. I did not want to risk the transfer myself because of tax implications, if I did something wrong. When I sat down with my broker in his office, he had all the stocks, bonds, etc, picked out, and all I had to do was sign the papers for what he called a diversified plan. I told him that before I agreed to these picks, I wanted to see the charts of how they looked on his computer. To cut the story short he was doing just what you mentioned in your article. He was giving me everything that had already started a 3 to 5 month bull run (and the charts were screaming OVERBOUGHT). After about the fifth one in a row of me telling him that I didn't what a particular mutual fund, and me picking an alternate choice, he asked me what did I see on these charts that was making my choices look better then his choices. Well, this turned out to be a 20 minute basic lecture on me teaching him how to read a chart. Needless to say, he was amazed at all the details that just one chart could offer. I was more amazed, when I later found out that he was working for this company for almost 10 years. Most folks, who trust their money with these brokers, don't realize that all they have to know is how to fill out a contract and have you sign it. And guess what? They can accomplish this in two weeks. Three weeks prior to that, they may have been a car mechanic who never even heard of a mutual fund. Anyway, after the transfer was safely made from my company, I again made a transfer to Vanguard, where I do my own trading. The trading fees are higher then a discount brokerage company, but I pay no annual fees or services because of the amount that I have invested with them.



    My present, major goal is to learn how to trade options. I know all the basic, and have actually attended a 3 day course in Chicago, but I just can't grasp the full concept. I know enough to know that I could be making big bucks in today's market, I just need to put more time into studying the various Option positions. For now, when I trade option, I stick to just the basic PUT and CALL contracts.
  6. Morris (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Ethan,

    The composition of the QID and the QLD are different and therefore difficult to "Hone" into a system. I use ETF's and have been very succesful in doing so. If you focus on the charts of the components for any of these etf's you will see a method of entry and exit. Too, the correlation between the index and the etf changes as the prices on the etf's rise and fall. You can track this by observing SSO's movement for the last few months. You will be better served by correlating the movement of a financial etf, or commodities etf, to the etf of a index and gain the additional leverage with out additional risk. There are others as well. Whats with this "Right 80% of the time"??? What does that mean??? If you invest the same amt. every trade and your losses equal your gains on trades it could mean something otherwise stop with the dumbness. That statement is only good for selling subscriptions. Manage your losses and you will be sucessful...Trust me on that concept. In our current markets you are getting index's moving 5-10% daily..with these movements and your ability to trade you should make more short term than long term so why let positions run unless they are appreciating??? more dumbness..you can take 15-25% out of a situation in hours or days, what do you think you will make long term. long term today is hours because the risk of holding stks is so great. Anyone taking both sides of markets today is being crused. Forget that nonesense, all it will do is limit your gains. Take a position and manage your losses and you will make money...Other than the above, good and interesting article...Mo
  7. Gerix (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Years ago I opened a small account with Clyde, a broker with Raymond James in Longview, WA who talked a good game and was also a fellow member of Oregon Mensa.



    I told him this was a test and if he did well I had quite a bit more money I could transfer to my account. Clyde used to call me almost daily with another hot tip that usually went nowhere. Six months later I was down about 25% and asked him for an explanation. He jokingly told me he considered it his job to turn HIS knowledge and MY money into MY knowledge and HIS money.



    I seriously told him to close my account and send me the proceeds.
  8. Michael O (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    When I opened my first account with Painful Webber & Co. my broker was my new brother-in-law. I was so happy as now I had a family member with the inside scoop on Wall St. NOT! With the family discount of 10%, I only had to pay hundreds and hundres of dollars in commisions to see my account disappearing before my eyes. When I expressed my unhappiness, he closed my account and sent me a check while adding that with his degree in English, he really only wanted to write childrens books and screen plays! That really makes family get-togethers at holidays extra special!
  9. Ethan R (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Thanks to all for your comments thus far.



    Knud, sorry I am not permitted to recommend the buying or selling of particular stocks to individuals. But I will tell you that diversification is important to a portfolio.



    John, the wash sale has nothing to do with the Brokerage account. That was from the sentence before. Sorry if I confused you.



    Edward: You are correct. We HEAR you HERE.



    EthanR
  10. John M (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Can you explain this a little more?? I thought wash sales were between me and the IRS. What does the brokerage have to do with it?



    "... you can't really trade the same ETF or stock over and over again within a three day period of time in an IRA account without incurring the wrath of the brokerage house. The first time you can plead ignorance and break down in tears on the phone, and they may let you pass with a simple warning. But do it more than once and they will probably suspend your account.

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