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How Much Money Should You Risk? (Part 2)

Wednesday, July 22, 2009 | Teeka Tiwari

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We're in the midst of an ongoing series on ways to boost your profits, and in last week's Tycoon Report, I explained exactly how to determine your position size.

Based on some great feedback from you, deciding how much money to allocate to a position is a topic you want to know more about. So today, I'm going to help you take another step further in your journey toward financial success and share with you a strategy I use to preserve my trading funds when faced with a losing streak.

The CliffsNotes version of last week's installment is that we determine our position size based upon our stop-loss point. (Be sure to read the full article here.)

Where Do You Start? With Your 'Stop'


When getting stopped out of a trade, we never want to lose more than 3% of our total equity. Here is a quick example: Let's assume we have a $40,000 account; 3% of $40,000 is $1,200. So, if our stop is hit, our position size needs to be such that our cash loss is no greater than $1,200.

So, your actual position size is governed by the amount you are willing to lose.

Let's continue with our example. You have a $20 stock you want to buy, and you have a $40,000 account but you are not sure how many shares you should trade of this particular security.

The first thing you have to do is figure out your stop-loss point. This is where Point-and-Figure charts come in. (I cover P&F charts in-depth in my "ETF Master Trader" educational course.) I like to use one box below the previous column of Os as my stop-loss point.

Let’s assume that the stop-loss is at $17. To figure out the share amount, simply divide the amount you are willing to risk ($1,200) by the amount of points your stop-loss is from your entry price. The entry price is $20 and the stop loss is $17, so the difference between the two is $3. So, $1,200 (the amount we are willing to risk on any one trade) divided by 3 equals 400.

In this example, then, you can buy 400 shares and, if you get stopped out at $17, your loss will be no more than 3% of your total portfolio value.

To Change Your Stop-Loss, Adjust Your Position Size Accordingly


If you want to make your stop point larger, you must adjust the amount of shares you buy. Let's say you took another look at the chart and decided that you wanted to have a stop-loss point of $15 instead of $17.

All you would do is take the difference between your entry price of $20 and your stop-loss price of $15 (which is $5) and divide that by $1,200 (3% of your portfolio value). This would give you a figure of 240, which means that, if you want to use a stop-loss of $15, the biggest position you could take -- and still be within the 3% rule -- is 240 shares.

This is what I mean when I say that our stop-loss point dictates our position size. You choose your stop-loss point, and your stop-loss point chooses your position size.

What Happens if You Get 'Stopped Out'?


The second part of this strategy has to do with position sizing after getting stopped out. I use a progressive system of investing, which means that, as I’m winning, I progressively increase my position size. When I’m losing, I progressively decrease my position size.

If I’m making several attempts to get long on a sector and I keep getting stopped out -- but I still believe the sector is ultimately going higher -- I do things a little bit differently.

After the first trade is stopped out, I reduce the position size of my next trade attempt by 25%. If that attempt ends in failure and I want to take a third attempt, I will decrease my initial position by another 25%.

If I want to take a fourth whack at the same trade, I’ll decrease my position size -- once again by another 25%.

NOTE: If I’m having several losing trades in a row, I institute this approach across all my new buys. Typically if I have three losers in a row on three different stocks, I start cutting my position size. This way, I’m trading at my smallest when I’m trading at my worst.

Too many people do the exact opposite; that is, they actually trade more and in bigger-size positions when they are losing. What they essentially end up doing is pyramiding their losses.

Here’s what it actually looks like. Let's assume we have a $40,000 account, and again 3% of $40,000 is $1,200.  Let's further assume that the initial position is 400 shares of a $20 stock and each subsequent attempt to purchase the stock is done with a $3 stop-loss.

If I have four wrong trades at 3% per whack, I will lose 12% of my starting capital, or $4,800.

If I use my progressive approach of reducing my position size after every loss, I will own:

 
400 Shares @ $20 - $3 loss = -$1,200
300 Shares @ $20 - $3 loss =    -$900
200 Shares @ $20 - $3 loss =    -$600
100 Shares @ $20 - $3 loss=     -$300
Total Loss = $3,000

By progressively lowering each new losing trade, I reduce my losses from $4,800 to just $3,000 or a very manageable 7.5% loss.

The 25% reduction in trading size is always keyed off the initial position size. So, on each attempt, I am reducing my position size by an additional 25% of the original 400 shares, rather than 25% of 300, 25% of 200, and so forth.

I use this same approach in reverse when pyramiding into a winning position. On each successive new purchase, I increase my position size by 25% while always maintaining a stop-loss that I move higher with my position.

Remember, losing stocks won’t kill you in investing. Undisciplined position sizing, over-leveraging and trading without a stop-loss is what blows out most traders.


Nobody likes to lose money, but even in the best markets (and definitely in tricky markets like the one we're in now), your No. 1 goal is to live to trade another day. Losses are a fact of your trading life, but by limiting them with stop-losses and tailoring your positions to take as much risk off the table as possible, your discipline and consistency in adhering to the "3% rule" will ultimately pay off.



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  1. John (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Teeka:



    Several comments indicates a lack of understanding the lesson offered (many more probably do, but failed to comment either through shyness, lack of understanding or laziness). This is understandable because, sorry Teeka, the concept is not presented well. Proper teaching is hard. I know many "experts" that are disasters because they "assume" a knowledge of their listeners and that certain statements are "obvious." We all should know what comes from "assumptions." It is an "ass" out of "you" and "me." This portion of your presentation qualifies as such.



    For the kind of money that I have speculated utilizing the information from this service, I would have expected better.



    The major flaw in your presentation is that it is simplistic and not mathematically rigorous. This detracts from the fact that you have a point to make -- its validity is another topic of discussion.



    1. You state that the market value of the stock/EFT is $20 for each leg of your cascade. The only way for that portion of your presentation to be reasonable is that you are trading a DIFFERENT stock/EFT on each trade. To further simplify you have set all their market values at $20 and all their stop/loss levels at $17. You may have considered this to be self-evident because to arrive at a proper stop/loss price involves a given stock's support levels, etc. What several previous comments make evident is that they think that you are proposing to "ride a pig" as it plunges from $20 to $17 to $14 to $11 to $8.



    2. A further problem in your presentation is the assumption that there is this magic wishing well that we can go to to replenish our losses. If our initial captial for investment for Stock A is $40,000, then after your first trade you a left with $38,800. To posit another acceptable loss of $1,200 assumes that your bank has been either replenished to $40,000 OR you are chasing your loss by setting your acceptable loss | 3.1% (1200/38800), followed by 3.2% (1200/37600) and 3.3% (1200/36400) ending up with a $4,800 loss. By conforming to a maximum 3% loss per trade the numbers become: $40,000, $38,800, $37,636, $36,507 and ending up with a $4,588 loss.



    3. What I believe that is being proposed is one one system of money management -- that one should continually reduce your exposure while you are making poor decisions or rather, if you will, while the market continues to frustrate you by going against your expectations and analysis. Thus, as your investment capital is depleted, you become more conservative. Your proposal is that on trade #1 you risk 3%, if a loss, then risk 2.25%, if also a loss, then risk 1.5%, if also a loss then risk .75%. Again, this is not quite accurate. Positing a 25% pull back after each loss actually results in 3%, followed by 2.25%, 1.6875% and 1.2656%.



    Teeka finally proposes that one should "press" your winning trades by increasing the size of your stake by 25% after each winning trade.



    There have been numerous books addressing proper money management. If you really want to understand its fine points, these should be your study guides. I particularly would direct readers to the gambling section of book stores. What proper money entails is an understanding of the concepts of variance and gambler's ruin. Because when all is said and done, to venture into stock/eft/option investments YOU ARE GAMBLING. What differentiates winners from losers is the effort that they expend to sharpen their skills.



    PS: Personally, while your proposal of 3% utilizing 25% "bumps" is better than nothing, mathematically, it plays pretty dismally against random chance. Coupled with sound investment decisions, education and advice, it has merit.
  2. Alan (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Its a pity Teeka isnt taking an active part in this blog. It implies.... publish, get on with something new, ignore the questions, then save time in the future by getting the typist to cut and paste for the next class of subscribers. Reminds me of my uni lecturer.



    AlanH
  3. Gergios (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    The implication is that you're still investing in the same ETF that you took a loss on. Assuming the first loss position occurred, then I assume that it is now trading at approx. $17.00. For taking a subsequent position, wouldn't it be better to assume the quantity based on a reduction of the 3% to 2.25%. Subsequent loss, reduce to 1.5% and then again down to 0.75%.



    I assume that all gains are added to the investment total and 3% continues to apply.
  4. richard (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Teeka



    Thanks so much for all the great advise! How do you aplly the 3% stop rule to trading options?



    Thanks



    Richard
  5. nick (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Great rule:-)
  6. Jim (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Excellent article and a new of looking at trading sizing.
  7. Gregory (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Really great articles!
  8. Alan (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Sorry to be a bore but your system as printed shows :

    400 Shares | $20 - $3 loss = -$1,200

    300 Shares | $20 - $3 loss = -$900

    200 Shares | $20 - $3 loss = -$600

    100 Shares | $20 - $3 loss= -$300

    Total Loss = $3,000

    Where as my suggestion shows:





    400 Shares | $20 - $3 loss = -$1,200

    Buy back 300 | $17 + $3 = +900

    ditto ditto

    Total Loss = $300





    This simply limits the volotility of the stock to -$300 or + the skys the limit.



    AlanH
  9. Alan (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    PS Just to clarify, is your 'rule' the same for penny stock as blue chip, or do the rules change with the stock value/volotility?

    AlanH
  10. Alan (1 year ago) Is this Spam?

    Im a total novice (which why I joined) and in principle this makes good sense for blue chip stock. But Im sure theres more facets to the prob for penny stock.(I just dont know what they are yet.... thats why Im querying). Im constantly seeing stock, other than blue chip, dipping for a few hours as people take profit, then rising again. So I buy at 20 cents, auto stop at 17 cents, then see them rise to 21 cents before I can finish my coffee. Not only have I lost 3 cents x N, it'll cost me 4 cents x N to get back in 10 minutes later (and lets not forget dealing costs). Is there a contra to your advice where you have auto purchase to secure a 'stop gain' of say the same price as you last sold? If not, your example looks like an irrecoverable downward spiral where, unless youre glued to the screen 24/7, you will inevitably be buying back for more than you last sold?. I can imagine a manual process involving selling and placing a limit order at the sell price (or lower) but an auto system would pretty much ensure that your overall losses were much less while keeping you in the game. I hope that made sense. If not, be kind... I said Im a learner.



    AlanH

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